We know security creates value. But can we actually demonstrate it? That's the question at the heart of our latest research — and of a new podcast conversation I've just recorded with Neill Catton  (CIS Security) and Andy Goldston (The Crown Estate).

We discuss some of the key findings from our report on making the value of security more visible, and importantly, what those findings mean in practice.

We explore the challenge of moving beyond traditional measures of security activity and cost; how security's contribution can be understood in terms that matter to the wider organisation; and what needs to change if security is to be recognised for the value it creates.

It's a fascinating conversation with two experienced practitioners who bring a real-world perspective to the issues raised by the research.

And if you'd like to explore the research behind the discussion, the full report is free to download: www.perpetuityresearch.com/value

I'd also be interested in your experience: if your senior leadership asked you to demonstrate the value created by security, what evidence would you show them?